In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Marco Brown discuss:

  • Figuring out the business of law for survival. 
  • Key systems for success at your firm. 
  • Marketing and sales for lawyers. 
  • Becoming a student of the sales game. 


Key Takeaways:

  • You have to want success. Wanting to be a good lawyer is the bottom of the barrel. You need to also want to have monetary success. 
  • When you make more money, you can help more people. 
  • Sales is important, not a dirty word. You can’t service those you could help if you don’t have any clients. 
  • Be you in your sales process. Your clients want to work with you because they think you can help serve them as you are. 


“I do it the way I do it because I want to help my family and secure their wealth. I want to help my team and secure their wealth for them and their family, and so we can help can 10s of 1000s of people going through a divorce. That is my duty to people. That’s why I do things the way I do.” —  Marco Brown


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Episode References: 

Book: The Closer’s Survival Guide by Grant Cardone:

Book: The Total Money Makeover by Dave Ramsey:


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Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie


Audio production by

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