Q: Dear Ethics Lawyer, I just took yet another deposition in which the otherwise successful, intelligent businessperson being deposed appeared to have the memory of an old Commodore 64—she said “I don’t know” or “I don’t remember” to just about every question. And for those few questions she answered, she rephrased absolutely everything. For example, I asked her if it was in the scope of her duties to review and approve contract terms such as the one at issue? She said, “I don’t know what you mean by review and approve, but if you are asking if I did sometimes read them, the answer is yes. But I don’t remember whether I did so in this instance.” She had obviously been coached by her counsel to within an inch of her life. And I’d bet money that when it comes to summary judgment briefing or trial, her memory will have been “refreshed” and then she will remember a version of the facts favorable to her employer.

I’m thinking I’m playing out of the wrong playbook when it comes to witness preparation. Is there any ethical guidance on what’s in bounds and out of bounds?

A: I feel your pain. We’ve all dealt with that type of witness. Yes, there is some really good guidance on the rules of witness preparation in The Ethics of Witness Preparation, ABA Formal Opinion 508 (Aug. 5, 2023). It contains a bullet point list of 14 categories of witness preparation subjects or categories that are permissible, a list that is a useful part of any lawyers’ checklist for preparing a witness. Perhaps ironically, a part of this list is that it is alright to remind a witness that it is acceptable and advisable to say “I don’t know” or “I don’t remember: when that in fact is the truth of the matter, as it can avoid presenting testimony that is a false memory or a guess. The important thing is to always tie that and other types of preparation to the anchor point of presenting a truthful story, with an accompanying speech about the consequences of not doing so, ranging from perjury to being caught in an inconsistency to various unintended consequences and testimony that is not credible that can damage a case, e.g., a witness who should know or remember a variety of key facts who claims not to. The Opinion also contains good discussion about conduct that crosses the line, both before and during testimony.

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Mark Hinderks brings decades of experience as a trial lawyer, firm general counsel, and managing partner. He is a Fellow of the American College of Trial Lawyers and has presented more than 125 programs on legal ethics over 30 years.

Mark is the…

Mark Hinderks brings decades of experience as a trial lawyer, firm general counsel, and managing partner. He is a Fellow of the American College of Trial Lawyers and has presented more than 125 programs on legal ethics over 30 years.

Mark is the co-founder of “Ethics for Good,” a twice-annual stage show that uses humor and real-world scenarios to teach legal ethics, raising approximately $850,000 for charities and scholarships since 2000. He has chaired the American College of Trial Lawyers’ National Standing Committee on the Attorney Client Relationship and has been a member of the Kansas Bar Association’s Professional Ethics Advisory Committee since 1997.

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