Q: Dear Ethics Lawyer, It is hard to make money practicing law, especially with the darn Model Rules always getting in the way: conflicts, multi-jurisdictional practice issues, etc. But, I’ve got an idea. We’ve got some finance/computer whizzes who’ve worked out a breakthrough tool for legal matter budgeting, scheduling and reporting, incorporating AI to learn from existing matters. I figure we can form a separate company, using our firm’s techno-people part-time to sell their expertise to other firms. It’s not even the practice of law, so we can ignore the advertising and conflict rules and all the other requirements that get in the way. What do you think?

In line with your plan, Rule 5.7(a) exempts a separate entity performing law-related services from the Rules of Professional Conduct, even if controlled by a lawyer, but only if the lawyer “takes reasonable measures to assure that a person obtaining the law-related services knows that the services are not legal services and that the protections of the client-lawyer relationship do not apply.” Needless to say, this language should be incorporated into a written agreement with each customer, along with a robust explanation that the entity providing the service is not a/the law firm, that there will be no attorney-client relationship or privilege, that a relationship with the entity is not a relationship with (or is separate from any relationship with) the law firm, and how any confidential information will be treated or protected. And, of course, the entity should be operated as a separate business and any overlapping personnel accounted for/paid/managed accordingly in order to maintain its separate status.

There is potentially one other issue here. Your question references the use of AI to provide scheduling, budgeting and reporting services in a way that learns from prior matters. If the prior matters you reference here are client matters of the law firm, then Rule 1.6 is a limiting factor. It prohibits any disclosure of information relating to a representation without informed consent of the client. This precludes (without client consent) disclosure of information relating to client matters by the law firm to the entity that you propose to provide the law-related services.

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Mark Hinderks brings decades of experience as a trial lawyer, firm general counsel, and managing partner. He is a Fellow of the American College of Trial Lawyers and has presented more than 125 programs on legal ethics over 30 years.

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Mark Hinderks brings decades of experience as a trial lawyer, firm general counsel, and managing partner. He is a Fellow of the American College of Trial Lawyers and has presented more than 125 programs on legal ethics over 30 years.

Mark is the co-founder of “Ethics for Good,” a twice-annual stage show that uses humor and real-world scenarios to teach legal ethics, raising approximately $850,000 for charities and scholarships since 2000. He has chaired the American College of Trial Lawyers’ National Standing Committee on the Attorney Client Relationship and has been a member of the Kansas Bar Association’s Professional Ethics Advisory Committee since 1997.

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